4/13 . Best one on the list in my opinion. 17 isnt too long or short, can carry a decent load, has a little rocker for streams, gel coated Kevlar is an ideal layup - light but semi durable (much more so than skincoat Kevlar at least). This gives the Journey and Explorer more secondary stability, which helps the canoe recover if its on its edge in more dynamic water. Great all around boat. by Paddle Power Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:19 pm, Post The spacious 167 is versatile and stable, with more speed and storage for longer trips on bigger water. If its lightly used as the ad says then its a great deal. Spring and fall are the best times to find those deals. Looking for discontinued models or older catalogs? Manufactured from 1994 to 1997, in Kevlar (55 lbs), Fiberglass (67 lbs) and Kevlar PVC (44 lbs). Well, it is done enough for now. Essential information like specifications, prices and places to buy them is displayed in a standard format, so you dont need to jump from one website to another. Try (carefully) sitting in it while the canoe is resting on grass. It would not be a great solo boat because its so big for one person. No wood rot. 2) Is there any potential problem with a very thin gap between the two-part gunwales on either side as resetting the screws does little to close the gap? Mine are really beat up, so the boat is without any decks right now. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe. No wood rot. New listings: Canoe - Mad River Screamer - $620 (Jamestown), Mad River Lamoile Canoe - $1 000 (Hogwaller) boats. About 67lbsThe Sunrunner was one of a series of 17'2" touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. 3/4 . Mad River Sunrunner Canoe. Thank you for your consideration. The kevlar PVC version was sometimes billed as Kevlar H (for Hybrid). It may be a little lighter than the Camper but Id expect it to be in the low 50s. The Journey has a minimal rocker, making it track (move straight) much better than the Explorer. Its light for a Royalex boat at 57 pounds if the manufacturer specs can be trusted. Don't know of any manufacturer who uses a k for kevlar. This canoe has provenitself time and again on trips I have taken in canada, maine, n.h. vt. What surprised me was that some of the canoes are from the 1990s and must have had little use or well maintained. by owner + boats - by owner . by pblanc Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:59 pm, Post Also, any other info you HIN geeks can provide would be awesome. Its a modern hull that does a lot of things very well. How would you spend your money for general use? Simply looking at canoe specifications and descriptions doesnt provide insight into the small details of how it feels on the water. The Explorer and the Malecite were their most popular and versatile tandem models. Different materials match different needs, and Mad River makes the Explorer in T-Formex, Kevlar Fusion or Carbon. Light canoes are a beautiful thing. You will like it. I was tempted because it looked like a good deal but already have a Bell Northwind 16rx that I set up for solo. The T-Formex Remake. No wood rot.17 feet 2 inch long, 33.5 inch gunwale width, 12.5 inch deep center, Bow/stern 19.5, 18.5, 1.75 inches of rocker. I would like to get my hands on the stock end caps to see how they fit in considering your water-trap concern. We are looking for general use mostly lake, pond or get onto the Wisconsin river flowage and paddle around and fish. Someone here might know at a glance if this is glass as I too am suspecting. 3/4 . Asking $700 for it. 17 feet 2 inch long. Tracks beautifully Thanks to you both on sharing your recipes for home-brew oil as will probably try this next round. 2010. So Camper is perfect for ponds and small lakes and for fishing solo. The shallowness also a bit of a concern as we really enjoy some of the bigger waters in Quetico. They are focusing resources on two of their other brands, Perception and Wilderness Systems, to meet the surging demand for kayaks. Especially being a somewhat heavy boat when propping the nose on the ground to shoulder. Its a beautiful canoe with graceful lines, Swifts classic two-tone color scheme and features like cherry seats and yokes. Ive had a Bell Morningstar RX and its a great boat. 2) The floor just seems to have a "bubble" just like the foam core Kevlar builds show. post. How about personality? I will let you know the number. Hello fellow paddlers. We are a canoe and kayak livery on the Mad River, in Springfield, Ohio. The boat is 16 long. I agree that you want as light a boat as you can get to make it easy to use. Best, I plan to dark stain the gunwales and decks and then Exterior Watco them unless they still make Gunwale Guard. If replacing Contour or Bucket seats, order from our Canoe Seats link on the Home Page, as they are also manufactured for Mad River Canoe at our specs. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, Craiglist option - a range from a Madriver Sundowner to mid 90s vintage Old Town and Wenonah, Bell Mornigstar Canoe - boats - by owner - marine sale. Serial # info requestI recently found a Mad River Independence, from what I can make out the serial # is MAD1D2771293. If you cant find a kevlar canoe you like, then buy a fiberglass one that is not too big. Tomorrow I will pick up a different scale & hopefully put this to rest. 2011. Both have a good reputation for durability. I can sure relate to leaving the natural wood color too. The Sunrunner was one of a series of 17'2" touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. id old mad riverMAD99584M80G-K 18 foot wicker seats with backs. KE boats are not listed till the 2000 catalog so am wondering if marketing came up with that name to sexy-up the standard KV build?? The equally attractive carbon fiber version is an airy 40 pounds. / 431 kg Width: @Gunwale: 33" / 84 cm @4" Waterline: 34.25" / 87 cm Maximum: 37" / 94 cm Depth: @Center: 14.25" / 36 cm I tried contacting MRC but havent gotten a reply yet (2 Weeks). id of old Mad river canoeI came for a similar reason trying to find the exact material of my MADEX135E787 Its available in two sizes, 16.5 and 15.5 feet. No wood rot.17 feet 2 inch long, 33.5 inch gunwale width, 12.5 inch deep center, Bow/stern 19.5, 18.5, 1.75 inches of rocker. The boat is Kevlar for sure. I will go cyber shopping sometime soon. So their thinking was the cary handles and seat spacers flex but the seat frames and yoke don't? Sun bleached, 18' Mad River fiberglass canoe. You are using an out of date browser. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=advice&tid=929356. If you are going to car top your canoe, the lighter the better. Yes, definitely having fun with this current obsession. Learn more about Mad River canoes by checking out the reviews below. Enjoy! It is a very high quality boat, built back in the day when Mad River Canoe was one of the premier composite canoe builders, if not the premier maker. While firsthand experience is the best way to fully realize a canoes performance, expert reviews are the next best way. I'm not as well versed as some folks here are with Mad River canoes but on the whole, it looks like you have a nice canoe. ABS (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene) plastic layers encase both sides of the foam to protect it and add stiffness to the shape. Here's the link to the Ed's cane repair kit. Timeless and Rugged. Prior to that time, MRC #'s identify model, material, month and year, but not color - Last Updated: May-03-08 8:58 AM EST -. I am looking at buying another Mad River Canoe and need to understand the serial number. The ad says 40 pounds but Royalex Morningstars are around 55. In reading through MR FAQs it mentions Gunwale Guard was used on Gunwales, Handles, Decks, & Seat Spacers. $887,744 hide. Recently picked this beauty up for a song and trying to find out more about it as I could locate only one post from the all-knowing google. JavaScript is disabled. That matters in your situation, more than the seats, gunwales, or design of the canoe. The customer service guy is out for the next week so will need to wait a for some of the questions I had for him. Admittedly the research is fun and probably speaks to the rarity of this canoe? I would imagine a well-built glass canoe such as this will not oil-can and am wondering if typical kevlar ultralights do? On the underside of the bow deckplate is written the hull ID number so I would imagine these are original. Was stored in a gara Mad River Sunrunner Canoe - $1,250 (fairfield), Mad River Sunrunner Canoe - $1,250 (Lexington), 16' Mad River Explorer Canoe - $400 (WHIDBEY ISLAND). Their heaviest boats are made from polyethylene, like the 85-pound Adventure 16. Mad Rivers Explorer in Kevlar Fusion or carbon are both good choices for paddlers who want a lightweight composite canoe. CORRECTION: In thinking through the details of our last trip it occured to me that on the longer portages (400M & up) I was not carrying the 20 lb day pack along with the canoe. Fully featured and loaded with amenities, they're also very stable and paddle quite efficien. heres a thead from the archives: Or maybe following a test run in the spring I'll decide to keep it since it is so darned cool??? 3/4 . 4/13 . This leads me to wonder about other errors which I can imagine with all the different versions, acronyms, and changing terminology. I do not know what the "A" represents. Kevlar Fusion and carbon are composite renditions of the Explorer. BTW, I use the term geek quite fondly! The Sunrunner was one of a series of 17'2" touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. Thanks for the great help. The composite editions of the Explorer are much lighter, at 44 pounds for the Kevlar Fusion and 40 for the carbonversion. color obviously not a factor in performance, but if the wife likes it, its certainly a plus suggest swap out molded seats for standard web bench seats to facilitate solo paddling from the bow seat facing the stern. Awesome progress and enthusiasm Micah! In reality the thing is a bit too pretty for me to drag across beaver dams or portage through downfall. The other numbers just represent production run stuff that does nothing for identifying the specifics of the canoe. Glad I'm not the only one needing to dig into old documents to find answers. This may not always be possible, especially when buying a usedone. View our answers to common questions below. Thank you! Id suggest youd be best off with flat web/cane seats than molded uni-directional seats so you can paddle solo from the bow seat facing backwards to bring your solo paddler weight closer to the middle of the canoe. Just trying to decipher what wood the gunwales are was challenging as they don't look anything like ash to me. I realize this thread is at least 4 years old, but I am a new comer to the forum who found this thread to be the closest thing to helping me decipher the serial number to a new/old canoe I just bought used. I don't blame you a bit for going after that other boat since it looks to be a fine boat at a great price. The company was born shortly after the founder, Jim Henry, won the 1971 U.S. National Open Canoe Championship in his hand-built canoe. If moving it around on land becomes too burdensome, youre likely to find something else to do. I think they are around 55 pounds. Like the Adventure, the Journey is made with three-layer polyethylene. I cant comment on the last 2 boats. Wenonah - Sundowner - 18 foot fiberglass (red) and looks to have an adjustable front seat. Don't worry about the freeboard, you have plenty. Mad River Mad River Model Produced Model Produced Adventure 14 2006-2008 Explorer 14 TT 2003-2010 . You can take it for a week-long backcountry adventure or a float down a local river with your family. Having the weight directly above the scale is more sensible. You can even use some kind of vegetable oil if you don't want to buy anything. You can easily change out the seats. A glass boat is unlikely to weigh 6 lbs less than specs, and a Kevlar lay up might well weigh 6 lbs more than spec, especially a Kevlar Expedition model. Old Town - Camper 15 from 1996 (an aqua color that the wife thinks is great) and a Discovery 174 - I think the camper will be lighter and easier to load and unload. Mad Rivers Adventure is their recreational canoe, and its available in two sizes, 14 and 16 feet. It was conceived as a replacement for Royalex, long considered the gold standard for bombproof canoes. The Kevlar/Airex Explorer also had an outer layer of S 'glass under the gel coat which was nice. Mad River Malecite, Bought 1994, used little, includes 2 wood paddles, mats, block for car top carrying. Mad River Model Produced Sunrunner KH 1996-1997 Sunrunner KL 1994 Synergy RX 1996-2000 Mad River Sunrunner Canoe. 1981 Mad River Canoe T.W. thx. The Sunrunner was one of a series of ~ 17' touring hulls Jim Henry designed in the 80s and 90s. Looking for a tandem canoe for a couple in our mid-fifties. About 67lbsThe Sunrunner was one of a series of 17`2 touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. The Explorer and the Malecite were their most popular and versatile tandem models. If math correct420 lbs or thereabouts. No wood rot. They were early adopters of Kevlar and Royalex materials, switching to T-Formex when it wasdeveloped. I would also consider other manufacturers with wood gunwales if equal to the Explorer - Penobscot? The flat bottom on the Camper makes it feel stable on calm water. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe: Asking $1250.00 / Best OfferFiberglass Hull with wood gunnels and cane seats, In good condition. Prolonged UV exposure can cause canoes to warp or deform (thats not a reason to not paddle them on sunny days, however). Wood trim likely needs some work with previous repairs showing up. Another document states that only the gunnels need to be oiled (as apposed to varnish) as they flex but further reading suggests Gunwale Guard be used on carry handles, decks, and seat spacers. 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