For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Handloaders can find .284 bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. It works with Wyatts SAAMI length box. This is loaded ammunition. JavaScript is disabled. The team here at Lapua understands this, and has made our "Passion for Precision" the blueprint for our success. Nosler started with that same 404 Jeffery fat case (some say they actually worked with the RUM case, but we wont nitpick,) but they shortened it enough to squeeze into 30-06 length actions. with 150's. Going with a new chambering? A bit more internal powder volume gives the Wby. I'm impressed. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The SAUM is a very efficient case. After the 7x57, this one put the 7mm on the map. Yeah, I was looking more in the intermediate weight range for the 7mm. I got a 162 ELD Match doing 3327 SD of 10. RIFLE BALLISTICS. Guys have 7 saum's in 20" barrels up to 32" in F-class. $4.99. If you're not going to be carrying it very far , use a 26" to get the most out of it. You may be able to do 2700 with the bullet you mentioned using the right powder. If you see large temp swings and prefer a little more stable powder 3000 is still do able. You should see 3100 in a 26" with rl26. A WSM will be limited more than a SAUM but would still be capable of more velocity than a SAUM with it's bigger case. Caliber: 7mm Remington Magnum. I used non magnum primers so be sure to start low and work up. at the muzzle. May be worth giving him a call. I cut straight to the chase and sprung for Norma brass, which proved to be an excellent decision. Location. Matching or slightly exceeding the -08 is Winchesters 1963 quasi-short-action 284 Winchester, a rebated rim case way ahead of its time. I was able to push up to about 2850 max with both the 175 and 184 berger but I settled at 2800. With the above velocities for my 7 SAUM load, the math is fairly simple for a quick range card in your head. Ok, my 180 load is great but I felt like I could get better luck with 162's, and WOW!!! Inside of 600 yards, use a constant of -2.5 to come up with our hold in mils. I have mine(7saum) for sale over at the classifieds. Most Ive measured come in at .2835 or thereabouts. This one skips the belted case and goes right to the extra fat 404 Jeffery case for its voluminous powder vault. Joe Kurtenbach, Executive Editor of Gun & Ammo, and John Myles from Smith & Wesson discuss features of the Equalizer 9mm micro-compact pistol and new-for-2023 M&P 5.7. Then gonna take it to a mile. Box Count: 20 Rounds. RL26 is the top velocity powder most 7saums I've worked with Retumbo H1000 Are2 more I've used . I've gotten 3012 f.p.s. Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is . These will vary rifle to rifle depending on ammo maker, chamber and bore dimensions, barrel length, temperature, altitude, etc. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. They wouldnt be wide enough to fill the groove depth of .284. The 7mm SAUM is a popular choice in f-class shooting, and has been used to take home multiple championships in this discipline. Betsys Jarrett Beanfield Rifle in 7mm-08 Rem. Mag. 7 WSM has a short neck (which may adversely affect bullet alignment in bore). Make Offer. The constant of -3.2 from our range in hundreds of yards works pretty well from 600 to 1,300 yards. Obviously, there are plenty that goes into that equation: ballistic efficiency, projectile availability, barrel life and reasonable recoil. As it stands right now with a 7mm WSM the 150gr ELDX are at about 2.95" to the lands. Measure 7mm land-to-land diameters and youll usually come up with .277. was tougher. The low demand for factory ammunition in 7mm SAUM has resulted in a sharp increase in the cost of 7mm SAUM as of mid 2014. . If you load, I recommend the 7 sherman short mag. You are using an out of date browser. 7mm REM SAUM; 7mm WSM; 7mm-08 Rem; 8 X 64S; 8mm Mauser; 8 X 50R French Lebel; 8x56R Hungarian; 9mm Browning Long; 9.3 x 62; 9mm Luger / 9x19 / 9mm NATO; 9.3x72R; 9mm Makarov; . Sold my 7mm SAUM before 26 appeared. I find standard primers more accurate in this cartridge BUT I do use mag primers in hunting season and readjust the load a bit( because of the cold weather). Bob Meinert, FN Marketing Director, introduces FN's first commercial pistol suppressor, the FN Rush 9Ti. This ammunition-related article is a stub. Please post some results if you are using them. Of course, long, heavy, high B.C. In Stock Product Number: 004418. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It printed groups of .2 to .3 MOA and a conser- vative 2,920 fps with standard deviation (SD) at 6 fps. A little disappointed in the speed I am getting. This adds about 100 fps to the 7mm Rem Mag. At 1500 yards I have a few 5 shot group which my hand would cover..I just wish Lapua would make brass for the 7mm SAUM . Upland High Velocity loads feature Federal Premium copper-plated lead shot and the best components for the most consistent, deadly patterns possible for pheasants . The cheapest 7mm Rem. I was also advised not to do it on a short action because what you have could not be done. Performance The 7mm SAUM does not achieve 7mm Remington Magnum velocities or performance. When I shot a WSM, I was impressed with the mild recoil but received a rude awakening when sourcing brass. Looking at a 1,000 yard firing solution with 5,000-foot Density Altitude (DA), I would be at 6.8 mils and. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Factory rifles and loads are becoming more common each year. The load manuals also showed that the SAUM would out-perform . Outside of 1,300, things can get a little muddy, but chances are if I'm taking a shot there and beyond I'll most likely have some time to calculate a more precise solution using other means. 180's @ 2850 on a 22" here also. Try RL26 My 180s are coming out at 3030 ..My 162's are coming out at 3170 but it is not a hot load but super accurate. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm WSM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.860", maximum case length 2.100". This cartridge, chambered in the model 7 rifle, is appreciated for its ability to produce high power from a small, ultra-light weight platform. Shot a group at 820 yards shot right around .5 MOA at that distance. Alas, its also largely ignored in factory ammo, but handloaders can make it shine. Mag., but again, that's too much recoil in a competition scenario. I did of course bed and adjust the triggers after. Action is a medium lone peak fuzion ti. And if the match you're shooting requires a fair amount of multiple target engagements, managing the recoil of the SAUM can be work and may not be the ideal choice, especially in unconventional shooting positions. If you must have the hottest hot rod in the county, look to the STW, RUM, or 28 Nosler. Model : Xpert. Or, if this is a SA Rem 700 you could have the Wyatt's mid length kit modification done which allows a SA 700 to load and eject OAL 3.200+ I've talked to someone that went with Kevin Wyatt's mid length mod and they were very pleased with it. However, to achieve its small velocity advantage, the larger 7mm WSM had to burn 7-10% more powder than the 7mm SAUM. with a COAL of 3.060. I think I can get the groups to .3-.4 at this range after some tuning. What reamer are y'all using for the 168's? Mag. In Stock. That's unfortunate, as it can offer the best bang for your buck as an effective and efficient long-range performer due to exceptional bullets with outstanding ballistic coefficients (BC) and muzzle velocities. I want to push 140gr-150gr projectiles between 2950 fps and 3050 fps and load out to 2.86". #19. For example: 800 yard target = 8 - 3 = 5 - .2 = 4.8 mils elevation hold. July 08, 2019 By Joseph von Benedikt. I really want to handle that rig John. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. On an 18-inch wide target at 1,000 yards, I have to call the wind within 1 to 1 mph of its actual velocity to get a hit if I'm aiming at the center of the target. If youre shopping for one multi-purpose 7mm for deer hunting with the chance for elk, moose, bear and most African plains game, look to the 7mm-08 Remington as your easiest package. 64 grains was 2240, 64.5 was 2280, 65 was 3300, 65.5 was 3327, 66 was 3340. The recoil of the 7mm PRC produces 27.7 ft-lbs of energy at a recoil velocity of 14.1 fps. I shoot 180eldms @ 2800 out of the 22" barrel. With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. Mag. Todays match for the Mauser is the 7mm-08 Remington, a necked down 308 Winchester that handles considerably more chamber pressures than the Mauser (no ancient rifles to worry about exploding.) This will be a mountain rifle that I use for hunting sheep/goat/black bear. This is with Norma brass and loaded long. Look no further. I want to build her to optimize a 168 bullet and wring all the performance out of it I can. Item : WNWEX1232. All rights reserved. Remington makes SAUM brass, and I've heard that it can be quite consistent if the necks are turned and you're willing to weight sort the brass. The interchangeable design also provides an enhancement of the already well-renowned Mauser extractor. Really leaning towards the defiance xm at this point for reasons indicated above, Another recommendation here for the XM length action. I don't like to jam VLDs under any circumstance, and this chamber ended up shooting them extraordinarily well at .045-inch jump. came 18 years after the round-shouldered Weatherby, but both were formed from the belted 375 H&H case. The 280 AI (Ackley Improved) adds about 100 fps to the 280 Rem. I'm shooting 180 berger hybrids at 2930fps. The 7mm SAUM has a reputation for being easy to load using medium to slow burning powders. The cartridge delivers impressive velocities, with a muzzle velocity of around 3,200 fps for a 160-grain bullet. Once we start looking at the wind from this point of view, it can give us an immediate indication of how accurate we need to make our wind calls for a given target size. Just got mine back from WTO with a 28" Bartelin 7 twist chambered for 183 sierra matchkings. Regardless bullet type or make, all those used in all 7mms are .284. Almost overnight it became the most popular 7mm in the U.S. and soon the world. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Kalahari oryx, also known as gemsbok, are notoriously tough and durable. In addition to these 7mms there are at least 18 more from Britain, Europe, and proprietary manufacturers such as Dakota, Lazzeroni, and JDJ plus many wildcats. Standard 280 Rem. I appreciate all the input and thoughts. This cartridge duplicates the velocities of the .280 Remington. Model : Xpert HI-Velocity Steel. Chris Johnson, FN Senior Product Manager, walks us through two new FN striker-fired pistols at SHOT Show 2023: the FN 510 Tactical, chambered in 10mm Auto, and the FN 545 Tactical, chambered in .45 ACP. I am not a big fan of the RL powders but not sure what else to try. It was designed to maximize muzzle velocity with extremely high B.C. Mag. Brain shots primarily, but the occasional heart shot. core lokt shoots the best out of my rifle, which is a remington 700 bdl. All reference the same bore and bullet diameter. The ARC Mausingfield is a work of art, blending the best features of three actions into one. 90 couple degrees and 12mph winds. Gonna build a bean field rifle in 7SAUM.. 175 eldx is just a little shorter. Are you strictly a big horn man? The Wby. C.I.P. Id go with a defiance XM length action if this were going be dedicated to a 7saum. I shot 160's in mine. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Which 7mm Rifle Cartridge is Best for You? factory loads can usually be fired in 280 AI chambers to create the new brass case for handloading. bullets are your best odds for ringing steel at extreme range. Christensen Arms Summit TI 7mm Rem Mag Bolt Action Rifle.. That turns into a 9-25% advantage in favor of 7mm Rem Mag at 500 yards. D0A549A4-D4BC-4DEC-95B5-C72350DCE11C.jpeg. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. UPC : 020892015531. Short Action Mid Length Kit - Wyatt's Outdoor, Tikka 300 WSM magazine options for extra COAL, REM 700 BDL Bottom Metal w/ CFE-6 Wyatt Box. Im thinking moose, eland, the biggest bears. Winchester Ammo WE12GT6 Super X Xpert High Velocity 12 Gauge 2.75" 1 oz 6 Shot 25 Bx/ 10 Cs. Guys have 7 saum's in 20" barrels up to 32" in F-class. My long term plan is to have a second rifle built on a LA that is probably chambered in a 30 to push 190gr+ bullets. Make Offer. The toroidal (donut shaped) bolt lug design ensures that both lugs consis- tently engage the receiver when the bolt is closed. match from the WSM, both in short-action rifles. I think they would shoot well in Silly Putty. Posts: 19 7 saum loads? Here's where I am so far. According to the load manuals, the 7mm WSM offered a bit more velocity than the 7mm SAUM. There is not much that will be able to withstand a 180gr bullet at 3000fps. But long range precision shooters are reviving the 284 Win., so stay tuned. $26.95. As far as long distance muscle the 7mm Rem Mag will come out on top. $17.95. Neither handful contributes to long barrel life. 3160's with 140's and H-4350. Nope. I need to retest again when I have more favorable wind conditions but that load looks promising, I love this thread, Rechambering from 7RM to 7Saum and I can't believe all the pet loads here. Higher BC, still good speed and more terminal energy than the 162's. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. I dropped the package into a Kinetic Research Group (KRG) Whiskey-3 Chassis and topped it off with a Kahles K624i 6-24X scope with MSR-K reticle. Ben Voss FN Product Manager talks about the new FN SCAR 15P ultra-compact rifle-caliber pistol at SHOT Show 2023. It does look like a SAUM will have slightly more forgiveness. Mag., 7mm Rem. One centerfire case rarely used for new cartridges was the full-length H&H magnum. As you can see 6.5 mm SAUM has more velocity at all ranges. What most still don't understand is a given bullet combo most often has a velocity node window it likes to shoot at. Both the 7mm SAUM and the 7mm WSM achieve optimal ballistic results when using bullet weights from 120 to 160 grains. The two are not interchangeable. . Secure Online Ordering (No Reviews) Free Shipping! This is many shooters answer to the 7mm Rem. I'm shooting 180 berger hybrids at 2930fps. 28 has a slight edge in velocity across the range of usable bullets thanks to a slightly increased case capacity: . The 7 SAUM is also easy to load, which means less time at the bench and more time learning and having fun on the range. All Guns and Ammo subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Anything the Mauser can or did do, the 7mm-08 can match. The Mausingfield uses an extractor collar that is a solid ring design instead of a flexible collar. UPC : 076683000217. 180 eld-m and 168 VLDs are pretty different as far as bearing surface goes. Sounds like a nice rig. I know they are basically ballistic twins, but I'm wrestling over which one I should go with on a new build. ballistics in a short-action. Edit Product. I have also shot out several . But very happy with this load. I love my 7 saum. 7 WSM has a short neck (which may adversely affect bullet alignment in bore). Any hunter struggling to choose between the 6.5mms and 30-calibers should find the best of both worlds in the 7mms. With 65.7 grains of H1000 in the saum case it's gotta be close to full on the volume. This doesnt mean you should load .277 bullets. The 7mm SAUM fills also fills a niche in extended long range competitions (700-2100 yards) where it is a popular choice. Please help to demonstrate the notability of the topic by citing, 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM), Last edited on 22 February 2023, at 12:48, "7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum", Learn how and when to remove this template message, "NF ELR Calibers & Cartridges What The Pros Use", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=7mm_Remington_Short_Action_Ultra_Magnum&oldid=1140921926, This page was last edited on 22 February 2023, at 12:48. MV was listed at 2899 fps during load development but I have duplicated the load with virgin Norma brass and only getting 2800 fps. Have you found they need to be trued? You should make the length fit the rifle, make it balance out well in your stock and fit your shooting style. ELD-Match ammo I shot at FTW was rated 2,975 fps on the box. The best powders I have had luck with so far are from burn rate H 414 to Ramshot Hunter. Anyone willing to share overall lengths on 7 SAUM handloads along with what bullets your using? Medium slow burning rifle powders are most appropriate for both of these cartridges. Secure Online Ordering (No Reviews) Free Shipping! Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) [4]. Most loads in the SAUM will be compressed, but diligent load development will reveal the winners . As with most of the 7mm heavies, the 7 SAUM is very efficient in the wind. EDUCATION 101. Mine is in a lone peak fuzion long action. project baki 2 best fighting style. My choice to go with the 7mm came from a conversation with a competitor talking about how impressed he was with his 7 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM). That is something a gunsmith could address. The 7mm PRC does offer higher velocity figuresrunning at a higher pressurethough many feel that the 7mm Remington Magnum has plenty of velocity. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. The 7mm SAUM is an impressive long-range performer. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. I'm thinking this could be a nice mountain rifle. Why such a small gap between them, with a 10% lighter bullet? parent, capable of slightly better long-range ballistics with same weight bullets. The 7mm Rem. I would encourage any long-range enthusiast to take a hard look at the details of the 7mm. Quantity on Hand: 3544. A new and rather unknown magnum is Gunwerks 7mm LRM (Long Range Magnum.) Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. $17.28. I have a 24" barrel on my 6.5WSM. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/7-saum-savage-la-manners-benchmark-cdi.193507/, Cotton Ball With Ashes Fire Starter - No Match Needed. None kick hard in my experience. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It gives SAUM+ performance out of a short action. The SCAR 15P is chambered for 5.56 NATO and, with its 7.5-inch barrel, is the most compact SCAR to date. My COAL is 2.940 and I have an R700 with a Wyatt's box. and Wby Mag., 7 SAUM or 7 WSM. and many times the 30-06, too. "Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.". $109.38. The TaurusTX 22 Compact delivers class-leading reliability, capacity, and shootability in a 22 LR platform, and it's cut for a slide-mounted mini red dot. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. In Stock. I am trying to work up loads for my SAUM and I am finding my gun seems to prefer the lighter pills. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. That's pretty simple, so the SAUM's rep- utation holds true. Here the 7mms also shine. Spectacular performance out to 450 yards on sheep, mountain goats, whitetails, elk and more. The PRC is most certainly a better choice as a long-range target cartridge; I had the opportunity to use the cartridge in a Remington Model 700 at the FTW Ranch in Barksdale, Texas, punching . SAUM for bullets that light unless you are a speed freak, lol. The German 7x64 Brenneke popped up in 1917. Top 6 Long-Range Competition Cartridges. of H-1000 gives almost 3100 f.p.s. You should see 3100 in a 26" with rl26. Neither is precisely 7mm nor .280 nor even .284, but rounded up from slightly narrower dimensions. The 7-30 Waters, a necked down and blown out (wall taper taken out) 30-30 case, was conceived by Ken Waters to improve the ballistics of typical tube magazine lever actions commonly chambered in 30-30. I'm looking at one real hard with a 22" barrel but also found one with a 24" barrel. You must log in or register to reply here. Shot same size group as the 180's averaging around .25 MOA @ 100. I have tried H4831sc with similar results to H1000. Was wanting 20" but could not find one. The 7 SAUM offers a high ballistic coefficient and excellent accuracy, making it a popular choice for hunters and competitive shooters alike. is danielle breezy leaving nashville diamond parking anchorage rates how to find unconnected lines in autocad pws mk109 mod 2 upper enter your mdm key to activate . Long is awesome if you are OK with another .5" bolt throw and an ounce or 2. It beats my .280 AI by 100 fps with similar loads. . Does it have more recoil than a speedy 6.5 or 6? The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. With a published muzzle velocity right around 3000 fps (from my rifles this load shot at 2988 fps), it is another hard-hitting and flat-shooting offering. You can find, load, and shoot high B.C. 180 ELD seated about ideally was just over 3.1 COAL if I recall. models. While the STW burns about 80 grains of some powders to reach top speeds, the RUM burns an additional 8 or 10 grains. I currently have 7 barrels chambered and ready to go for my 2 full custom 7mm saums. These mags are rea- sonably priced and ran flawlessly with the Mausingfield/Whiskey-3 combo. That 140gr-170gr range, more realistically 140gr-150gr range. 24" barrel on a model 70 wsm action. 26" proof sendaro lite. Model : Blazer. The SAUM will barely outshoot the WSM in competition but in a hunting rifle the 7WSM/7-270wsm/7-300wsm is a better option in my opinion. Not so narrow that they become ineffective for terminating big game. I'm going to have to re-work my load. Buddy just got a 7SAUM made with a 24" barrel and seems to get 2980 with a 180 grain Berger and RL 26. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. 24 inches with a brake is great for hunting but 26 or 27 may be better for wringing the most speed out. Mag. Forster 7mm Remington SAUM Full Length Sizing Die and Bench Rest Seater Die Set Permanent Link to Product Page. PH Hannes Steyn was one of the kindest, most accommodating weve ever hunted with. B-I've worked with a 7 WSM a bit and based off of what I learned from that I'd say a 160 would be top end in the 2850-2900 range (in the Saum) give or take a tish bit. With the STW I imagined the 7mms had reached the top of their ballistic mountain, but Remington proved me wrong in 2001 when it booted its 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum into the fray. deeper into the shadows. 65.5 grains of H-1000 WLR primer. I have a Proof barrel on a long action throated for the 180's but I only get 2750FPS out of a 24 inch barrel with 61.5 grains of H1000 and it has a slight ejector mark. I am probably not looking in the right places, but I could not find good options for fast twist 7mm barrels. Adg brass 60.7 grains of H4831sc, fed 210m's. It shoots .3 moa at 600 yards. Is there a calculation for case capacity and optimal barrel length? The 7 SAUM can drive a 140-grain bullet at a . Of course it does. bullets.com/search?s=category%3abrass&s=cartridge:7mm+SAUM&o=1, Get started with 7mm SAUM - Redding and Lee Dies, ammo and 1x cases, Savage Small Shank Barrels 6.5 Creed 7 SAUM. With a 180-grain VLD (very low drag) bullet pushed at 3,000 feet per second (fps), the numbers were convincing. The increased powder volume of the AI case should add 50 to 100 fps to the 280s speeds plus reduce handloaders need to trim case necks. Of course you could run a 26" with it. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. Winchester Ammo WEX1232 Super X Xpert High Velocity 12 Gauge 3" 1 1/8 oz 2 Shot 25 Bx/ 10 Cs. Secure Online Ordering (No Reviews) Free Shipping! Its mistake was chambering mainly in its new M100 and M88 auto and lever action rifles. Is anyone using these yet, or will I be the first one? In 1989 Layne Simpson decided not all hunters wanted 30-06 length actions or needed the lower price option, so he necked down the full-length magnum case for his 7mm STW, Shooting Times Westerner. This brings us to the oft-cited 7mm Rem. Sierra writes 7.5 on the box, but Im getting a 7.7 bc that is whats available. Besides a few F-Class competitors, it almost seems like the 7mm has been forgotten in the world of long-range shooting. The WSM case will not get to the next node but it will run THE node at less pressure. I chose to run Berger 180-grain VLDs as the do-it-all competition/hunting bullet. I also ran suppressed - silencer co omega. Subscriber Services. I elected to use Alpha Industries' Type 4 magazine designed for the .300 WSM-sized case. CCI 0021 Blazer High Velocity 22 LR 40 gr Lead Round Nose (LRN) 50 Bx/ 100 Cs. I've been looking for any 280 AI data too, there doesn't seem to be any yet. I don't have the rifle yet, but I am re-chambering from 300WM to 7 RSAUM. Wanted to split the difference. Item : BLA21. If it were me with the use and distance you are stating I would go the 7SAUM 24" barrel and set it up to shoot the Berger 180's or another good 180. Any strategy with this or is it just what you have on hand? Ive had friends with 162s going 3000fps from a 22 barrel pretty reliably. I used a Proof Research all-steel 26-inch heavy Palma contour barrel spun at 1:8-inch twist attached to the action with a Savage barrel nut. The next option is the .300 Norma Mag., which offers even better performance than the .300 Win. 7 WSM. Youll find the most variety of factory loads in the Rem. Feeding will be way more reliable. Give a Gift The Nosler loads were developed in Remington cases with Remington primers, and chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. The sample Hornady 180-gr. . Heres wishing you success! It's silky smooth and the bolt runs like it's not even there. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. Matching the RUM blow for blow is the Nosler 28, our newest 7mm. 7 mm (.284") bullets come in a wide variety of weights, shapes, and sizes. JD Thomas of High Speed Shooting Systems built the rifle on an American Rifle Company (ARC) Mausingfield ac- tion. I run a 24 inch proof barrel on a long action. I can vouch for that one! Depends what you want? I was already on the fence with a new middle-ground caliber, and shortly thereafter I ordered a barrel and hit the books for some research. I don't really care about a few fps one way or the other. without the belt and with slightly less recoil, albeit about 100 fps less MV, too. I just had my gunsmith chamber it for the 180s when he chambered the barrel. Do you find that you have excessive jump with the lighter weight bullets? If I end up needing to go to a DBM I will. All Rights Reserved. Not so wide that bullets (and thus recoil) become too heavy. What kind of velocities are you guys getting with 150's and which powders are you using to get there? Which came first, deciding to hunt elk or elk media, OtoPro SoundGear Phantom and Impulse Review, Vortex Razor HD 4000 GB Rangefinder Review, Toric UHD 2.5-15x44mm FFP Hunt Series Riflescope Review, Hunting Big Mule Deer after Mid-October with Cliff Gray. (The 7mm WSM has 81.0 grains of capacity vs. 73.6 grains for the 7mm SAUM.) It gained fame first as the Killer Bee in Cuba where Spanish troops rained destruction down on U.S. troops shooting 30-40 Krags and 45-70s. The 63.9 grains of H1000 gave me what I was looking for with both accuracy and velocity. 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